As a source for unintentional comedy, a column by Dennis Prager ranks right up there Steven Seagal movies. This recent piece from Prager is so saturated with foolishness, nonsense and logical fallacies that I’m going to have to give it the point-by-point treatment:
Any human being with a functioning conscience or a decent heart loathes torture.
Does this mean all your fellow torture enthusiasts at TownHall lack functioning consciences and decent hearts?
Its exercise has been a blight on humanity. With this in mind, those who oppose what the Bush administration did to some terror suspects may be justified.
May be justified. Uh-huh.
But in order to ascertain whether they are, they need to respond to some questions:
1. Given how much you rightly hate torture, why did you oppose the removal of Saddam Hussein, whose prisons engaged in far more hideous tortures, on thousands of times more people, than America did — all of whom, moreover, were individuals and families who either did nothing or simply opposed tyranny? One assumes, furthermore, that all those Iraqi innocents Saddam had put into shredding machines or whose tongues were cut out and other hideous tortures would have begged to be waterboarded.
And we’re off! Here we have a classic example of begging the question: It assumes that the U.S. had a legal or moral right to invade Iraq -an invasion that has caused over a million Iraqis to lose their lives. Second, torture didn’t end when Saddam Hussein was overthrown. Abu Ghraib simply went from being a torture chamber run by the Iraqi government to being run by the U.S. government. The torture didn’t end.
What’s more, the U.S. government (the one Americans are responsible for) wasn’t torturing Iraqis until the war started. Finally, one can always think of more and more ghastly ways to torture and kill people. It doesn’t excuse the less gruesome varieties. I’m sure the guy who got his tongue cut out would prefer that to getting a red-hot poker rammed up his backside.
2. Are all forms of painful pressure equally morally objectionable? In other words, are you willing to acknowledge that there are gradations of torture as, for example, there are gradations of burns, with a third-degree burn considerably more injurious and painful than a first-degree burn? Or is all painful treatment to be considered torture? Just as you, correctly, ask proponents of waterboarding where they draw their line, you, too, must explain where you draw your line.
Just as rape is still rape no matter how many bruises and cuts are left on the victim, torture is still torture even if there are no burn marks.
3. Is any maltreatment of anyone at any time — even a high-level terrorist with knowledge that would likely save innocents’ lives — wrong?
Of course.
If there is no question about the identity of a terror suspect , and he can provide information on al-Qaida — for the sake of clarity, let us imagine that Osama Bin Laden himself were captured — could America do any form of enhanced interrogation involving pain and/or deprivation to him that you would consider moral and therefore support?
No.
I’d like to point out that this kind of sophistry is the sort of thing college freshmen cough up between bong hits: take something that is clearly immoral, then make up a bizarre scenario with no basis in reality whatsoever that might possibly justify the heinous act. It’s as though a rape apologist asked if rape could be excused if the human race had been reduced to one man and one woman and the survival of the species depended on it. I prefer to leave bizarre premises to bad science fiction writers, thank you very much.
4. If lawyers will be prosecuted for giving legal advice to an administration that you consider immoral and illegal, do you concede that this might inhibit lawyers in the future from giving unpopular but sincerely argued advice to the government in any sensitive area?
God I hope so!
They will, after all, know that if the next administration disapproves of their work, they will be vilified by the media and prosecuted by the government.
If what they advise is illegal and depraved, good.
5. Presumably you would acknowledge that the release of the classified reports on the handling of high-level, post-Sept. 11 terror suspects would inflame passions in many parts of the Muslim world.
People around the world have known about the U.S. Government’s campaign of kidnapping, torture and murder for almost seven years now. The idea that the new revelations would inflame them is like exporting coal to Newcastle. The only people who have been roused by each new atrocity exposed are members of the mainstream news media, who spent seven years seeing, hearing and speaking no evil. Everyone else who was paying attention already knows about the torture, rape and murder carried out against prisoners by the Bush Administration.
If innocents were murdered because nonviolent cartoons of Muhammad were published in a Danish newspaper, presumably far more innocents will be tortured and murdered with the release of these reports and photos. Do you accept any moral responsibility for any ensuing violence against American and other civilians?
The responsibility is on the perpetrators of a crime, not on those who expose it and certainly not on people who opposed the crime.
6. Many members of the intelligence community now feel betrayed and believe that the intelligence community will be weakened in their ability to fight the most vicious organized groups in the world.
Tough.
As reported in the Washington Post, former intelligence officer “(Mark) Lowenthal said that fear has paralyzed agents on the ground. Apparently, many of those in the know are certain that life-saving information was gleaned from high level terror suspects who were waterboarded. As Mike Scheuer, former head of the CIA unit in charge of tracking Osama bin Laden, said, ”We were very certain that the interrogation procedures procured information that was worth having.” If, then, the intelligence community has been adversely affected, do you believe it can still do the work necessary to protect tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of people from death and maiming?
There’s no evidence that torture has saved any lives.
7. Will you seek to prosecute members of Congress such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who were made aware of the waterboarding of high-level suspects and voiced no objections?
Possibly. Let’s investigate and see.
8. Would you agree to releasing the photos of the treatment of Islamic terrorists only if accompanied by photos of what their terror has done to thousands of innocent people around the world? Would you agree to photos — or at least photo re-enactments — of, let us say, Iraqi children whose faces were torn off with piano wire by Islamists in Iraq? If not, why not? Isn’t context of some significance here?
Context is just another version of the tu quoque fallacy: “Oh yeah? They do it too!”
Not only is that not a valid excuse, it’s an admission of guilt.
9. You say that America’s treatment of terror suspects will cause terrorists to treat their captives, especially Americans, more cruelly. On what grounds do you assert this? Did America’s far more moral treatment of Japanese prisoners than Japan’s treatment of American prisoners in World War II have any impact on how the Japanese treated American and other prisoners of war? Do you think that evil people care how morally pure America is?
Japan’s treatment of Allied prisoners was barbaric. However, Germany and Italy usually treated American and British POWs according to the Geneva Conventions (with some well-known exceptions) because the British and Americans generally abided by the laws of war when it came to POWs. In fact, our humane treatment of POWs saved a vast number of lives because Axis troops went out of their way to surrender without a fight as the war dragged on because word had gotten around that they would be treated decently. Compare that to how Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union murdered and abused each others’ prisoners on a regular basis and battles were fought to the last bullet and last man.
If you fail to address these questions, it would appear that you care less about morality and torture than about vengeance against the Bush administration.
Ah, the Appeal to Motive Fallacy. Well, so what if some of the people who oppose torture only see it as a convenient stick to beat Republicans over the head with? They wouldn’t have that stick if Dubya’s inner circle hadn’t approved torture, and if his willing torturers hadn’t carried it out. The motives of the people opposed to torture are irrelevant: Torture is a very serious crime and the Bush Administration engaged in that crime. In fact some of them are proud of it! The only question at this point is if Obama and Attorney General Holder are going to do anything about it, as they are legally bound to do.